we should be welcoming the educated, the noncriminals. welcome them with open arms. bring them in. fine. just go through the process. do it the right way. fill out the paperwork. >> andrea: if you categorize them as somebody who broke the law, illegal and a criminal, what do we do with the millions of americans that are here if we don't allow them to get on a pathway, as long as it it would be citizenship? >> greg: the first thing you do is strengthen your border and you form the line. if you find somebody who is a criminal, they have to go. i mean, i don't see how -- >> andrea: "criminal" being, do you consider them a criminal because they came here illegally or they came here and committed a crime? >> greg: i mean people doing bad stuff. i want to say there is, i can't remember who talked about it. but america was created by risk-makers. the people who came over here, risk their lives to come over here. i would rather have a person who risked their lives to come here and work hard. >> eric: no, no, no. look. >> greg: making a point. >> bob: we have had in our immigration policy a